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<title>The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line : Responses</title>
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<dc:date>2009-11-10T20:07:39-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I thought by "public" public you meant democratic.  I am not disputing the idea of the high line (that it should be turned into a public park), just the design concept.  <br />
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It is true that it is wonderful for some groups so perhaps I shouldn't use the term community in general.  But there certainly are user groups that are excluded, both by policy and by design.  <br />
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The overly-precious details and James Corner's heavy-handed use of metaphor notwithstanding (those platform benches on the rails are the old train cars.  Get it?  they even haul "cargo") it is a beautiful place.  But maybe it is what it should be- a beautiful museum piece.  I just thought it would be more.]]></description>
	<author>faslanyc</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-11-10T20:07:39-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[What I meant by "public," was that it's an actual city-owned park and not a quasi-public or private space with easements, as in the case of the city's privately-owned public spaces (which anyone who's walked through midtown will know are with a few exceptions cynical and bleak). The High Line began as a grassroots project, I don't think that because some developers had the sense to jump on the bandwagon makes it a less worthy idea. It is operating on the conservancy model of central park, which in my mind raises some potential red flags with respect to the openness of access and programming in the future, but I think it's overkill to call it a disservice to the community. <br />
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I suppose this is the other reflective quality of the project, that it's something of a glass-half-full/half-empty moment. In my view, it's a net positive that the High Line happened at all, not least for its symbolic opposition to the American preference for built environments of bland newness or twee historicism.]]></description>
	<author>Ian Baldwin</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-11-07T02:45:01-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I would argue that the high line is definitely not a "public" public space.  Far from it.  The concept of putting an accessible space up there was wonderful.  No one disputes that.  But it was a bit of a disservice to the community, except those with a real estate interest in the area.  But then, that is the essence of practicing in NYC these days.<br />
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And their budget for that project was huge.  Money was not a relevant parameter.<br />
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I think the author has a good point- the issue of repurposing the industrial infrastructure and what it says about us (the designers, the public, and the power players) is what is interesting.  But I would argue that the extremely strict uses allowed up there is a shitty limitation necessitated by the over-reliance on precious details and planting and presenting a pretty image of wildness that could generate those 30 new development projects alluded to.<br />
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It's a great economic generator and a disingenuous public space.]]></description>
	<author>faslanyc</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-11-03T14:10:27-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[There's a lot of focus on the execution of the project, but less about its impacts - and I think that's ultimately what the High Line project is all about. Even if it's not technically perfect, it created a pretty interesting boom in the area, with over 30 new projects in development. I also think another success is the fact it all started with a writer and a painter getting together and discussing this huge project - and it suddenly became real with the administration's approval. I think we can't simply judge the success or the failure of a project based on the final result of the structure itself; it's the future impacts of the project that will tell whether it did succeed or not.]]></description>
	<author>Daviel Lazure Vieira</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-11-02T08:10:07-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I think the comments, which I appreciate, speak to the difficulty of practicing design in New York and the economist's phrase that there's no accounting for taste. I happen to like the park, but to be frank, I wouldn't be at all unhappy if the High Line was still bearing freight trains. In many ways that's a compelling urban proposition, and maybe even appropriate given the recent ignition of interest in locally-sourced consumables. <br />
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But in the real world any type of truly "public" public space is welcome, and though you could always do some things better, time and money are limited quantities. To me it's this issue of infrastructural/industrial re-use and what it says about us, rather than judging the design itself, that I'm interested in. I will be very interested to see how the space evolves once the hype fades away, and I think New Yorkers are capable of making the space more interesting the more they claim it as their own.]]></description>
	<author>Ian Baldwin</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-28T22:50:54-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Though I like the High Line quite a bit I do think most of my appreciation is a credit to the concept itself more than it is to the design or execution. To my mind the DS+R/FO design waters down the intensity which the High Line used to possess. I don't mean that in a sentimental way it was better when it was more "wilderness" but that the specific images which the High Line produced were either very attenuated linear perspectives or a series of extremely compressed transverse views. The current scheme's meandering breaks up the axial intensity of the 1-point perspective (without really offering much in the way of meandering), while also discouraging the transverse view. In fact it is only the Standard and its bill-ding-board/bridge which provides any really unique experience that might produce an interesting re-imaging of the city along the entire Line.]]></description>
	<author>trevor.patt</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-26T08:32:18-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[i don't think anyone would debate that it's a novel and interesting public space.  A linear elevated park near the water's edge through a formerly industrial heart of Manhattan is unique and amazing.  But it was the "friends of the high line", the city, joel sternfield and others who conceived of that.  That isn't a credit to the designers.<br />
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I like the amphitheater, but the views down side streets in Chelsea are much more interesting.  the amphitheater could have focused on one of those.]]></description>
	<author>faslanyc</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-22T17:25:49-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I think in New York City finding fault is a hobby, and there are probably lots of things this project could have done, but those things don't prevent the High Line from being a fun place to meet friends and hang out for a while. You get to go upstairs, sit in the sun, sit in the shade, have a drink, watch the river, watch the cars, be a voyeur, and breathe. And the "amphitheater" at 10th is terrific. My only regret is that it isn't longer.<br />
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Now can we cover the entire FDR on the east side with one of these?]]></description>
	<author>J Ake</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-22T11:05:17-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I've seen this project published a lot lately, but never with such a detailed explanation.  Thank you for the post.  I like the 'space' and think it works well with the industrial character. ]]></description>
	<author>Seattle Architects</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-21T15:34:50-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I visited the High Line for myself this past summer.  I found it to be uniquely refreshing from the rest of the meat packing district.  The nature versus industry idea always gets me excited.  So knowing that when left alone all this vegetation grew is awesome.  However the design of the High Line seemed to modern for me. It was very cemented with the walk way and the benched.  I felt they could have done more in the design to tie it with the railroad without being too kitschy.]]></description>
	<author>Sammie</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-19T08:15:27-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I had been looking forward to the park for quite some time. Recycling such an awkward and decrepit structure seemed like such a thrilling idea especially in a city that requires going through a system of herculean red tape and logistics to build or renovate anything. On my first walk I couldn't help but feel I was on one of those airport walkways. The narrow path and the current of visitors does not offer any sort of respite you normally find even in the smallest sliver of a park. Sitting on a bench makes you feel like everyone is going somewhere and you're going to be late for something if you don't keep walking as well.<br />
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The surface materials, the seating, the lighting and the wild grasses are all carefully considered but the space will not lend itself to being somewhere to sit comfortably for a while. It hasn't had a moving vehicle on it for almost three decades but the purpose is still the same which is to move things and people along a path.]]></description>
	<author>Raphael Del Rio</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-18T17:09:01-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "The Past Is Promenade: On the High Line"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[the high line is well-executed but thoroughly unoriginal.  It is another example of "the photoshopping of new york" (found on faslanyc.blogspot.com) and is ultimately a wasted opportunity.  too bad, because it's an interesting, and extremely expensive, space.  <br />
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interesting that places published this article the same month that much sorrier magazine, lam, published a piece that was at least a bit critical of the space.  what does this article tell me?  it is unoriginal and unenlightening.]]></description>
	<author>brian</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/the-past-is-promenade-on-the-high-line/10907/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2009-10-16T17:50:47-05:00</dc:date>
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