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<title>A Short History of the Campsite : Responses</title>
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<dc:date>2011-06-12T06:11:21-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[A couple of thoughts while reading:<br />
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1. Many of the fascinating ironies presented here are in fact age old. Foragers have made habitual use the same landscape features (camping every winter at the same sites for example). These habitual uses were codified using social regulations such as marking sites, or having proprietary rights to sites that are known to other members of the group through social mechanisms. Foragers leave sites in varying states preparation, for example when living in a Yupik village in Alaska I was struck by one man's description of a place upriver as "where we keep the good coffee pot." <br />
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2. Many of these ironies are inverted when camping by other means of transport. <br />
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Bike camping often takes one from one small town to another, where much of the camping happens in public parks. So the effect is to more closely inhabit the HUMAN landscape than in everyday life. <br />
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Bush travel by plane or boat often takes campers to highly prepared sites such as a cabins, where basic amenities seem less ironic.<br />
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Backpacking and horse packing (and to some degree ATV camping) takes one much farther from the developed landscape, with an accompanying heightened awareness of natural dangers. Dozens of backcountry campers die every year of exposure in North America, with little public outcry, because the danger is accepted as part of the experience.  This type of camping also places a premium on "solitude" -- who wants to hike 20 miles to camp cheek by jowl with strangers? <br />
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But, point taken: these kinds of camping represent a tiny fraction of car camping, which is what most people consider "camping" these days.<br />
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3. Many people (myself included) car camp not for access to nature or somesuch but because it's cheaper than (but comparable in comfort to) a motel. Which helps explain ironies like KOAs with wifi.]]></description>
	<author>Paul Souders</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-12T06:11:21-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Most of our camping these days is on land owned by friends, originally intended for a hunting cabin (the best laid plans...), which they've improved, including septic, to the point of having a decent campground, with maybe eight tent sites, a fire pit surrounded by a graveled sitting area, and a large covered dining pavilion (well, a carport, actually).<br />
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I'll bet there are many thousands of places like it, one for every group of friends whose plans to build a hunting cabin came to naught. I, for one among many freeloaders, am grateful for it.]]></description>
	<author>Ken Pidcock</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-12T00:11:13-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I've worked for the FS on a few forests and have come across a few repeating themes and misconceptions.  A frustration and bafflement is getting visitors to understand what "wilderness" is.  It's not just a term used for any forested area more than a few miles from a gas station.  FYI...it's not the inherent right of the elderly and disabled to use ATV's in wilderness areas of the forest.  Campgrounds were built long before most people retired and bought giant homes on wheels therefore not all campgrounds can accommodate 45' RV's with 4 slideouts, check with the forest before you roll up and find out that you can't stay because your rig won't fit.  There are rules on the forest such as speed limits, seat belts, fire arms, and open containers, it's not a free for all.  Leash laws apply in developed areas on the forest and that means YOU too even if YOU are the son of the forest supervisor!!!  Clean up after yourself and put your fires out 100%  A tent wall does not insulate your noise so be conscientious of your fellow campers and be quiet after 10pm, if you are hellbent on partying stay home!!!.  Wildlife does what wildlife does, if you want to see them it helps to get away from your vehicle and go for a hike.  You don't have to camp in a campground, you can camp in dispersed camping sites or in the undeveloped areas of the forest.  When your "camp site" has turned into a "tent city" complete with vacuum cleaner and multiple cats you've probably overstayed your limit!! ]]></description>
	<author>Erin Evans</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-08T17:33:35-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[our family has owned a bathing beach and campground since the '30s. it is interesting to see the changes that have taken place. however, many of the same families have been coming there to "get away from it all" since it first opened. both White Crystal Beach and Elkview Shores in Earleville, MD. have been getaways for people in the tri-state region ever since.]]></description>
	<author>elaine barclay</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-03T12:45:28-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Not everyone drives a $100,000 RV to a place indistinguishable from the city and does exactly the same things they would do at home. Not everyone envies other people's gear, either, for that matter; if it does the job one got it for, it's good enough, no matter what else someone is spending their money on. And there's a 2-man tent (with poles) to sleep in and a campfire to cook on, and darkness outside the firelight when the sun goes down.<br />
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Maybe they need a place for the RV owners and TV watchers where they'd be safe and comfortable and have all the amenities they're looking for. They could call it ... a motel.]]></description>
	<author>Worldwalker</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-02T08:56:18-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "A Short History of the Campsite"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I was trying to tweet this but this RV Park wifi keeps going in & out!  :-)]]></description>
	<author>OnDaRoad</author>
	<link>http://places.designobserver.com/feature/a-short-history-of-the-campsite/26808/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-05-31T13:35:22-05:00</dc:date>
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