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<title>From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper : Responses</title>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[John,<br />
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Thank you for following up.<br />
Agreed on both, the environmental impacts of copper mining, and the overwhelming visual impression these excavators have.<br />
Nice piece in any event]]></description>
	<author>Roland </author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-15T01:09:04-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Peak Oil, now Peak Copper? Copper stocks have rolled over a recent top in February and generally seem down 10-15% +/-. Look for a new support level and jump in. ]]></description>
	<author>Rolling Stone</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-08T09:04:38-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[This piece is really good at exemplifying the problem of continuously extracting a non-renewable resource, and we can expect to find similar figures in the extraction of any finite material.<br />
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I think it would be a good opportunity to highlight the problems that the article suggest in relation to a mere substitution, instead or drastically reducing our consumption of these virgin materials, and also miniaturizing the scale of the overall systems.<br />
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Btw, always a pleasure to read your texts.]]></description>
	<author>Emiliano Godoy</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-06T21:30:40-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I'm always enlightened by your writing, Mr. Thackara, but your last paragraph embraces too explicitly a confusion that the rest of the article merely struggles to avoid. We should work to clarify the difference between spending resources and transforming them - the energy embodied in a train engine is not lost in the same way as the energy embodied in a train trip is. At the most obvious level, the copper in a motor can be far more cheaply recycled, meaning the oil consumed to extract and refine it can bring benefit beyond the life of the train. But more importantly, the train does not guzzle copper in the way it will guzzle fuel - every extra barrel of oil expended to produce an electric engine over a conventional diesel one will (presumably) save X barrels of oil over the operational life of the train. This factor will approach zero as copper becomes more energy intensive to extract, but since the energy required to extract oil is also increasing it's not simple calculus to figure out when the curves will intersect. Do you have any data about when this might be, or even what the value of this "X" is?]]></description>
	<author>daniel erwin</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-05T11:03:10-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Roland, I stand corrected. I first saw the image used in a piece about copper mining, and failed to check. Sorry 'bout that. Mind you, evebn without the Bagger, the environmental impacts of copper mining are awful http://bit.ly/kRPEuq]]></description>
	<author>John Thackara</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-04T11:30:30-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[I grew up and lived within a few miles of the open mines that these "Bagger" worked in.<br />
They are truly impressive and gigantic in scale, particularly when moved across public streets from pit to pit.<br />
The claim however that the demand for them was driven by the cost of copper is false.<br />
In Germany, and particularly this "Bagger" was solely used to mine coal ("Braunkohle" to be precise, which is a softer type of coal that does not lend itslef to traditional mining below grade.<br />
Doesn't take away anything from how impressive they are, .... but the price of copper had nothing to do with it.]]></description>
	<author>Roland</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-06-02T14:21:01-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "From Ecstasy to Exergy: Running Out of Easy Copper"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Lovely piece. Always a good thing to be reminded that the world is a far more complicated place than we pretend it to be. ]]></description>
	<author>Robert Sawyer</author>
	<link>http://observatory.designobserver.com/feature/from-ecstasy-to-exergy-running-out-of-easy-copper/27668/#comments</link>
	<dc:date>2011-05-31T12:09:50-05:00</dc:date>
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