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<title>Housing Chicago: From Cabrini-Green to Parkside of Old Town : Responses</title>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "Housing Chicago: From Cabrini-Green to Parkside of Old Town"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[At this point in time (January 2012) whatever the "Plan For Transformation was (pre 2008) cannot be that today.  The past 4 years have provided everyone the opportunity to see what is working and what is not (under the old plan). Now we can only move forward, and I find that I must agree with previous poster (nico).  <br />
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Public housing highrises were never ment to be perm housing. The residents had no vested interest in maintaining the buildings as they did not own them. They paid little to nothing to live there and contributed little if any taxes to the city.  So the whole attitude these people have that we (the taxpayers) owe them a brand new 400,000 townhome for free is unacceptable.<br />
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In fact I don't support the Section 8 voucher program either.  An apartment complex owner near my parents home suddenly started excepting Section 8 vouchers. Now the neighborhood has seen a dramatic increase in crimes of every type.  The city and neighborhood association is doing everything they can to convince this property owner that it is in his best interest to stop accepting section 8 and to evict those already there once their leases have expired.  <br />
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The cold hard truth is the same today as it was 50 years ago. Working middle class people (of any race) do not want to live side by side with public housing tenants.  I think the best option would be for the city to keep its promise to rehab the rest of the Cabrini Row Houses and move in all of the acceptable public housing tenants there.  Offer these units to those living in the mixed income buildings which (have seen nothing but problems) and then keep all of the new construction townhomes and apartments market rate.  If additional public housing is needed there are plenty of burnt out blocks all over the city that could be raised and small scale, townhomes or apartments can be built for public housing tenants.<br />
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Developers and taxpayers should not be paying for those who can not afford it to live in luxury apartment buildings, this is liberalism gone completely off the rails, and I'm a Gay Dem saying this. I did not come from money or the best area in town, I busted my butt and made a life for myself and many public housing project residents have done the same thing. The time has come to put the city and its financial health first, complete the project and settle everyone where they will be comfortable and safe.    ]]></description>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "Housing Chicago: From Cabrini-Green to Parkside of Old Town"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[nico, two corrections: <br />
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1. Most Cabrini-Green residents do pay rent and most work. They certainly pay taxes, not the least of which is sales tax.<br />
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2. You misunderstand the 200,000 decline number. In fact, much of the 200,000 person population decline is due to declining residential units because multi-unit buildings are being transformed into single-unit buildings. Additionally, as these parts of the city get richer, the total population declines due to the fact that wealthier people have fewer children.<br />
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You have some other problems in your post, but those the biggest actual mistakes.]]></description>
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	<dc:date>2012-02-27T12:07:13-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "Housing Chicago: From Cabrini-Green to Parkside of Old Town"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[Frankly speaking, the residents of Cabrini Green never owned or had interest in the neighborhood.  None of the residents were actual property tax paying citizens or paying renters, furthermore, the living arrangement was never meant to be permanent.  By allowing multiple generations of people to live in a former industrial area where there were no longer any low skilled manufacturing labor jobs, the government forced people into hopeless poverty.  Only mobility to find work could have helped these people, mobility to which their HUD tether denied them.  The new mixed income neighborhood design will also fail since as I write this, market rate buyers simply refuse to purchase $400,000 units to live next to public housing residents no matter how screened they are.  So now we have vast acres sitting empty producing little tax revenue, underwater suckers who bought pre-crash not realizing they where buying cabrini-light, and the residents who are still like fish out of water.  Is it fair to force a 18 year old mother of 2 to live in a see of affluent yuppies working at fortune 500 companies?  No.  The government should have sold all the land for market rate and exited the housing business.  They have lessened the tax rolls, prevented in migration to a city that lost 200,000 people, chased out business, created a dangerous crime problem and artificially inflated the low end rental market further hurting poor people.  The government, while a market participant, is not a logical participant who stands to lose, therefore the government is over all a distorting influence to the proper functioning of the housing markets in Chicago - which goes a long way in explaining that 200,000 person exodus from the city.]]></description>
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	<dc:date>2012-02-20T16:06:32-05:00</dc:date>
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	<title><![CDATA[Responding to "Housing Chicago: From Cabrini-Green to Parkside of Old Town"]]></title>
	<description><![CDATA[This is a great story to keep alive. HOPE VI has been a terrible scandal and a sham. It is also one of the New Urbanists' proudest achievements. The crux of the latter chapters of this tragedy was the federal government's ending of the one-for-one replacement rule for public housing demolition, which dovetailed with the CNU's wooing of the HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros with their brilliant ideas about city building. Embedded in this has been a shameful patronizing of poor people, how they live, and how they wish to live.<br />
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Federal rules were changed to count Section 8 vouchers as equivalent to one-for-one replacement. This engineered a massive dispersal of the most poor, least powerful residents to the wiles of the private market, which is seldom kind to them. The best reports show that nationwide, as few as 11 percent of the poorest families were rehoused by PHA's after their neighborhoods were torn down--this also coincided with Clinton-era welfare reform. Of course, the activists for the poor who could detect the rot in the program were basically treated as if they were crazy.<br />
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CNU's brainiacs took hold of this program not least through their vilifying of contemporary architecture and planning, though they had no real solutions themselves--they just cooked up new problems. It is about time that people concerned with design ethics take a good look at this recent history and use it to teach students that some grand programs don't deserve their participation, and, indeed, should incite their fiercest protest.]]></description>
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	<dc:date>2012-02-20T15:21:03-05:00</dc:date>
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