S9E12: Jessica Helfand + Ellen McGirt

Jessica and Ellen listen back to highlights from Season 9, and hand off hosting duties to Dana Arnett and Kevin Bethune, who will be taking over in Season 10.

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By Jessica Helfand & Ellen McGirt

Jessica Helfand, a founding editor of Design Observer, is an award-winning graphic designer and writer and a former contributing editor and columnist for Print, Communications Arts and Eye magazines. A member of the Alliance Graphique Internationale and a recent laureate of the Art Director’s Hall of Fame, Helfand received her B.A. and her M.F.A. from Yale University where she has taught since 1994.

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